Hello, welcome to the Champions of RISK podcast. I'm Michael Kithcart. I'm an executive coach who helps worn-out achievers move to thriving high performers using my winning your way framework and you are listening to the Champions of RISK Podcast, where we examine the many aspects of risks so that we can all face uncertainty with more courage, confidence, and some humor together. My guest today is Jaime Taets, and she's a repeat podcast guest.

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Yes, she is the CEO of Keystone Group International, which focuses on leadership development, organizational strategy, growth, and change. Oh, it's always such a good day when I get to talk to Jaime. We are kindred spirits. But, you know Jaime has been busy. She is, in addition to being CEO, she is also a public speaker, and a thought leader. And she is her podcast host on the SuperPower Success podcast. And as I mentioned, she was a podcast guest last year on Champions of RISK. And she teased us a little bit that she was in the process of writing a book, which she has done. So now we add an author to that very impressive lineup. And she has written a book called You Are Here, Kick-Ass Inspiration for Navigating YOUR Journey to Success. Jaime, welcome back to the Champions of RISK podcast.

Thank you, I feel so honored to be invited back. I don't even remember what we talked about last time. But I must have said something smart somewhere in there. Oh, you did. And I'm going to remind you of a piece. So I'll, I'll do a little recall for you. But let's just talk about what made you write this book now. Well, writing this book now means I started two almost two years ago, right? A lot of people don't realize and I didn't, I was like, oh, we're just gonna hammer this out, like, I'm gonna put my thoughts down. And then someone's gonna say, let's put a period and a comma here, and then the books gonna be out. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. It's like birthing a baby twice. Like, it feels like just, it's a long process. But the reason that I was filling called I've thought about this for five plus years, it's been something that's been on kind of my vision board, like I need to do this. And it was really for the same reason I started the podcast three years ago, are people said, when I have coffee with you, or you just helped me think differently about the situation and, and I just wish I had kind of more of you write more of that advice or your wisdom, or I'm always, I'm always open to just saying, Hey, here's where I screwed up, like, don't do this kind of thing. And so the podcast started that way. And then eventually, for me, I'm such an impact junkie, that I wanted to take more of what I was doing, and be able to kind of take it to the masses, right? Because one on one I can only ever meet or speak to so many people. And this book was a way for me to just have a greater impact. And so I started writing the book for myself. And then throughout writing the book, I was like, we are in a time. I mean, I wrote the majority of this book, like the deep stuff, while I was quarantined at home during COVID. Right last March and April. And I talked about it a little in the book, I didn't want it to be about COVID. But it a lot of meditation, right? A lot of like, just before writing and just connecting to say, what is everybody dealing with? And what I started to realize as the book came to, you know, to its final kind of version was, this was about COVID. But it wasn't about COVID. This is just about the journey that has good times and bad times and times when you feel like you're broken and times when you feel like you got your shit together. And right and everything in between. And so what I really started to realize was this was just a book about life and the journey and COVID was part of the journey for all of us. Right, but it's one small piece of the journey. Right?

I think, you know, when we start to look at what are some of the benefits that come out of COVID, uncertainty was always there before COVID you and I talked about that last time. And it's always there, it's part of the risk. It's why I like you know, talking about risk. But it also broke everybody open in different ways. Right? And, and so it may be in some ways, you could only have written this book, because of COVID.

That's funny, my publisher had this- because I, right, you know, me, everyone else maybe doesn't, but I'm like, let's go, let's go. Like I made a decision. Like, let's get this thing out there. And I wanted it to be out last summer when all this was hitting and she's like, you know, it doesn't work at that pace. But she's like, is this gonna come out when it's meant to come out? Like I think people need to hear this. And when that whole breaking open, I think we're there. Right? I mean, we're still and we're gonna continue to, but it was supposed to come out right now. I do. I do believe that this is the message that I hope will help heal. I hope it'll help people reframe their perspective. on what they can accomplish and what is good about their journey, and the stumbles and the missteps. So.

Yeah, well, you share a lot of your journey in this book. And it's interesting, like, when did you start noticing that what you are going through as a business owner, was similar to what your clients were going through? Because you do make a lot of those connections?

Right. I think it's been, I don't think there was just a point in time, I think it's been an evolution. And it's been a lot of self-awareness work on my side, really not even on examining other people. It's been the self-awareness on my side to put words to some of the struggles I was having. And you know, you'll, you'll hear funny things in here, like stop mowing dandelions. And, you know, that was just my way of putting words to the things I struggled with. And then once I put words to it, I would all of a sudden notice it in other people, right? They weren't using the same words, but I was like, wait, this is the same thing I struggle with. And here's what I've realized. And it opened up this whole different dialogue. And that's where a lot of these truths, right, it's broken into 13 chapters. And each chapter has a set of truths. And they're just things that I believe to be true or things that I believe we struggle with. And meant to be punchy, right? They're short, and they're kind of to the point I don't beat around the bush, if you can tell him the book, there's, there's not a lot of fluff in the buckets. It's right to the point. But it's just been when I say I wrote this book for me, it's been this opening for me, and then all of a sudden, this energy that has come towards me, that's like, Yeah, me too, right? Or some of these kind of stories. And so that's been the therapeutic process of this book, and why I'm excited to have it out there to have people read it and give feedback to speak about it in front of rooms because I think people are going to have that same connection over and over again. And that's what fills me up.

Yes, I was saying to you before we started recording the podcast today that I was going through the book head nodding, right? A lot through this. It's like, yep, yep, I agree. I hear you're so right. And I like the conciseness of the book, that it's something that you can, I would almost say like it's a resource to like, you can go back to the chapters and just remind yourself because we do need that along the way. We make progress. And then we take steps back.

Right, I call it right, the plateaus. And we get to a new level and a lot of the same crap that we dealt with at the last level we're dealing with, again, it's just a different magnitude. And what you said is exactly I'm just so glad to hear because I the first thing I said to my publishers, I want this to be a reference manual. And what I mean by that is I wanted it to be like you open the book, and I've got an advanced reader copy, right, and you're like, God, I'm stopped getting ready to be ready, I'm doing that again. Like, I'm just gonna to take five minutes and read that section, and kick myself in the butt I need. I wanted it to be like that to something that you can pull back out and say, I know there was something in there that helped me last time, and I wanted to help you again because it doesn't matter where you're at on your journey. If you're just starting your career, you know, I talked about I do not believe people have midlife crises. I truly believe we have those moments in every decade, or 20. Right. And whether it's a crisis or not, it doesn't matter. It's just we have those paradigm shifts in our 20s or 30s or 40s. Or, and I want this to just be that book that carries you through that journey because it's a lot of the same stuff we deal with.

Right? Yes. And that's part of the progress, right? Like when we reach new levels, we have to adjust and adapt changes required. Right?

Right, I tell a story in the book. And I just can still remember where I was sitting as I was helping my 12-year-old at the time, my son with science homework, right? And he was reading and we were talking about evolution. And it was telling a story about how dolphins were, or sharks were once like land mammals, they once had legs and walked around on land, right? And they had to adapt. And I'm reading this going. I mean, clearly, I graduated from college, like I should have read this somewhere. And I've been so surprised by it. But I'm like, what, right? But it was just this epiphany for me that no one avoids having to evolve and change. And it doesn't mean everything we've done to that point is wrong. Right when I decided I wanted to be an entrepreneur, and you probably had a similar, you know, the experience was like, there was a part of me that was like, I feel like I'm negating my career and everything I've done to this point to say, that wasn't right. And that's not what I wanted to do. And I struggled with some like guilt, you know, to like to do something different or to change jobs. And I think people stay in places because they feel guilt that if they change or they do the thing, they are dreaming about doing it means something was wrong with everything they did before that, and I don't believe that.

I don't believe that either. And it's, I think what keeps people stuck in that place, right is that it's painful to be where they are right now. But the uncertainty of what it's going to cost them or what it's going to take to get to where they want to go, that pain feels greater. So they stay with the pain that they know.

People don't fear change, they fear things changing.

Yes, right.

And then we all do as humans, it's our protectionism. So.

Yeah, we fight, we fight a lot of those evolution pieces. They you know, we fight our brain a lot every day. And once we know that we recognize it, it doesn't mean that we don't still fight with it. But we have better tools and resources to help us move through that faster. And I feel like you capture a lot of that in this book.

Right. Thank you.

Yes. I was curious too because you work with other entrepreneurs, I mean, Keystone Group International is an EOS company. And that's how you help other businesses grow. So were you were your clients ever at a stage of growth that you hadn't yet hit? And then when you got to that point, where they were, it's like, oh, that helped propel you to move forward faster. Because you, you recognized it.

Right. And you, but you know, what's interesting that you say this, it's kind of the similar thing about the growth and plateau. And we deal with some of the same things, right, and each one of those plateaus and those ceilings. And, you know, as I look at my clients, and I joke about this with them, because I'm very open, I'm like, you're not unique. Even if you're a $400 million company, and I work with 100 million dollars, y'all dealing with the same things, like in a different magnitude, right? When you boil it down, the roots are the same. They just have different factors that they're bringing in, which is beautiful, because it's allowed me to help the $400 million company and a $100 million company, and I'm dealing with the same types of stuff. Right? And so I mean, I hate to put that out there, because the people are probably like, what should get paid for that? It's just the same issues every, it's, it's, it's not about the issue itself. And that's what I write about in the book personally, it's about the awareness of the issue. Right facing it, instead of pretending like it's not there, which we all do, and just facing it head on and saying, What can I learn about this? How can it be a little less scary? How can it's those small steps, and we try to solve big things? And we just need to solve them one bite at a time. Right? We don't eat the elephant whole.

Right.

And it's the same for businesses.

Yeah, I mean, I think if that if the truth were out about, the only way to get to those big goals, is to do the mundane and to do it consistently, you know, so the hard truth is mastery is based on repetition. And we don't want to hear that, because we want to, you know, what the headlines capture are the big outcomes, right? But I love that you also dealt with that overwhelming sense of, and how people feel like they're a failure when they're in the middle of the middle of it all. I want to win that big goal that hasn't happened yet, or just get started. So you say that when we're in the middle of building success or seeking, it oftentimes feels like failure. So why is that? And how do we? How do we get out of that?

Right? So there's a beautiful quote in the book that it's You're not broken, you're breaking through. And I think about it almost every day, and it's in reality what it encompasses for me is that we're never broken, we're never failing. I mean that we're failure I failures, only true failures in the way people think about it if we don't learn from it, right? That's what I believe. And so there's going to be those moments where we're like, that wasn't the right answer to that, right, or that wasn't the right approach to make or I didn't handle that situation well, but I just want people to look at it. It's almost like a lens if you like, I want you to widen your aperture, right of the lens, look at the journey that you're going on, and then laser it back down. But don't let that be your success. This is your success in the wider aperture. This is just the next point where we have something to learn. And we have something to change into evolve. And you know, constantly thinking about it is that outcome is the person you were supposed to be you can't be today. Because to be them you have to go through the things that you've gone through. And so many people I mean, and I share a lot of crap, right that I've gone through in my life we all have and mine's not even as dramatic as many people's, but we have to own that. And how often do we look back, I can't think of a single thing in my life, that I can look back now and say, I wish that would have never happened. Because out of it came other things that were beautiful, right that was silver lining. Same thing with COVID. This needed to happen. And I know that's so hard for people who lost loved ones or who have lived in fear for a whole year. This needed to happen. Our society needed a wake-up call, we needed a course correction. We needed to be shaken, awake, by everything that wasn't working. And now, we hopefully learn and it doesn't happen again, right? We don't want this happening all the time. But it's the same thing in our lives now and then you need some rumble strips, right? I talked about the rumble strips on the side of the road, the wake you up from your autopilot drive to the office or your autopilot where you're like, I don't even remember the drive. Yeah, those rumble strips are there to do that. And then another thing that I thought of when you asked that question is the comparison piece. Right? And you talk about this, it's just, it's in our face all the time, right? 10, 15 years ago, even? We didn't, we didn't have this issue. We didn't have all of this, like, Oh my gosh, look at what she's doing. I'm not doing that. Well, it means I'm not successful. It must mean I'm doing something wrong, right? It's the like, toilet bowl swirl. That happens in our head every time we see someone else's success, or were they there after they've achieved it.

Right, and without taking into consideration what they had to sacrifice what it took to get there, you're seeing a glimpse of an outcome. And then you compare it to where you are in your moment. And it's not an apples-to-apples situation at all, ever.

And you don't know. And that's why I share I mean, don't get me wrong, it was really hard to put some of the stories in that I put in, right? And I was very careful to not, you know, to not go too deep in the stories knowing my kids are going to read this book one day, right? And then not that it's that dramatic. But you know, I don't want them to think that you know that there was something wrong back then in my life. But I wanted to be real about how I was feeling and what I was dealing with. And there are a lot of not-pretty parts of my journey. And I think the more people that are willing to share those and normalize it for everybody else.

Exactly. That's it because that's what helps people realize that they're not alone. They think that what they're going through is so personal and unique. And you sharing your stories, Jaime, helps people realize that it's more common.

Right. And I just had this conversation a couple of weeks ago with someone that had the advanced kind of reader copy of the book, a multimillion-dollar business owner, and super successful she's been I mean, I'm not gonna say her name clearly. But if I did, everybody would know who I'm talking about or who she is. And, you know, I saw her and she said, I couldn't put it down. And she said, You know what? She said I've dealt with every single thing you put in this book. And I'm dealing with some of them right now. And this helped me She goes, this is one of the best books I've read. And granted, right? There are a lot of great books out there. But she was just like, it was like therapy for me because I felt like you're fine. Like, come on, pick yourself up, like, Let's go, you're okay, yes, this is what you're dealing with. reframe it. And this is a successful, successful businesswoman in our community. And so that's the purpose of it. Nothing in this book is probably going to be something new that you don't already know. That's not the purpose of the book. I'm not teaching you new things. I'm just maybe delivering it from a different perspective.

Right.

Right?

Well, which only you can do.

And making a new look at it again. Because sometimes you need that. Right? You need to look at it from a different perspective, or you need to be reminded of it.

Yes, exactly. into your earlier point too, like, and now is the time to share that. Right. And I, there's a piece in the book that I especially agree with you on and that is when you talk about how we think about our life determines what happens in our life. And that you know, that we can control not necessarily all the circumstances but we most certainly can control how we view the circumstances and what we want to do about them. So how do you help people make that shift? Because it's such an important piece.

Yeah. Well, and this has been part and I don't go super deep, right? I didn't want this to be a spiritual kind of book. But it's I have been on a strong spiritual journey for the last four to five years, and what I mean by spiritual I believe, universe, God, you know, whatever you call it. A lot of meditation, a lot of deep reflection, a lot of testing, meaning thinking about something, affirmations daily, and then seeing what it produces on the other side. And I'm not going to go into all of them, but it's so I've tested and validated and invalidate, like, it's so true, that what you think is what you become. Right? And you've heard this a million times, but your mind in your brain is it's a, it's, you know, it's a reptile type brain like it only knows the past, it can only serve up what you know, from experience, or what's happened in the past. It doesn't know the future, you get to create the future, right? You get to create those files. And so it's just helping people understand that it's the way you talk to yourself. And I know you and I talk about this, right? It's it's the, the what you talk about inside your head, is what's creating what happens to you.

Yes, yes. And that you have to plant it in there. It's not just going to happen, because of your point about the reptilian brain, and I was just, I'm sharing this information all the time right now, because we have 60,000 thoughts a day. 95% of them are repetitive, they repeat every single day, and of that 80% are negative. So we are hard-wired for survival, to think that something bad is going to happen. So we have to be very diligent in putting the positive thoughts into our head so that we can actualize them.

Right in the normalized part of this is there's nothing wrong with you, if you're having 60,000 thoughts that are, you know, negative. The problem is, is that because we're having those repetitive thoughts, it's creating beliefs that aren't true. Right. So it's this vicious cycle. And I have not eliminated the negative thoughts, that is not our goal. It is not, it might be too maybe we just don't have quite as many of them. But just to normalize it for everybody. My goal is to help catch them quicker. Yeah, that's what I've gotten good at. It comes in and I'm like, that doesn't feel good. Why doesn't that feel good? Oh, because that's a shitty thought. Right? And you and then I let it go. Or I reframe it. And I'm like, Nope, not taking over. I'm gonna think about something different, right? I'm gonna refocus myself. But the funny thing is, my clients don't know it when you're talking about business. But I do the same thing. Right? We get into the, we get in a spiral of we can't do that, or we don't have the capability. Why do we believe that? Right? Or this COVID? The last year, three months into COVID? I was like, time out? What do we control right now? Yeah, because there's a whole lot we don't control. But if we spent all of our energy focusing on that, which we don't control, we are out of control. Right? So it's personal and professional, it applies. And that's what I was my hope for this book was, you know, I didn't write it as leadership, you know, training kind of thing, but it is because this applies to our businesses into our careers just as much as it does our families and our personal lives. Yeah, it's it's so true, and how people are feeling right now in that overwhelmed because things have been so uncertain there. People have been feeling like so much has been out of their control. And we're starting to come out of that. But as a result of it, there's a lot of exhaustion, there's burnout. And if you were gonna point to one thing, I think you and I agree with this, it's like getting a hold of your thinking, brain, shift your thinking, and that's what will start making the shift for you. So that you are feeling that way. Do small things that give you- right we talk a lot about with our clients about basic human needs. And that's what's essentially happened over the last year our basic human needs haven't been met. Right, things like certainties, significance, connection, we've lost a lot of those things. And but at the same time, if we just play victim to what's happening around us and to us, we lose the idea that there are small things we can do, right to control it and make it a little bit better. And so it's just reframing to what we have control over our thoughts, our actions, right, whether we choose to pick up a book to feel better, or flip on a dramatic Netflix show, which I also do, but that is kind of, you know, makes you feel worse, or makes it feels more dramatic. It's we have those choices every day.

Yes. And it kind of giggled when I read about your pet peeve and that people who say that they want to change, but they're not willing to do anything to who make the changes necessary to get the outcomes that they're seeking. And so I just was sensing a no-tolerance, approach from you, Jaime.

Right? So my publisher was like this is and we use this in our marketing. She's like, this book is like, equal parts best friend, and challenging mentor who's going to kick you in the ass. She's like, you You just have this beautiful way of like, making me feel good about it, and then kicking me in the ass at the same time. And that's the purpose of it is I want, you know, I don't want people to walk this alone, if we are struggling, but at the same time, you can't, I can't want it more than you want it. Someone else cannot want it more than you want it. Right, only you can decide that.

Yeah. You also talked about in the book that fears and faith cannot coexist. And, people struggle with this a lot. You know, they want to have it all figured out. Right? And when they don't procrastinate all sudden, and so what have you found that works best for you in moving through the fear? Because, again, it's not that you don't have it, you move through it faster.

Yeah. And the last hour, I don't think I've maybe had it. But that's, you know, it's just, it's we're not avoiding fear. That's not our goal. Because fear is inherent, it's hardwired into who we are. As humans, it's meant to be there from the cave, you know, back when we were cavemen and women. But what I want everybody to think about fear and faith is like a tug of war, right? So you got two teams on the tug of war. There's no ever-like, a beautiful spot in the center, you're either in a little bit more fear or you're in a little bit more faith, right, every day, every moment of every day. And we just get to decide, this feels like a fearful moment, and it's pulling me towards fear. And then I stay there as long as I think I can. And then I just need to say, stop myself and say, is this going to happen? Or do I have faith that there's that I'll be fine, that I'll get through this? Right, then I'll be okay on the other side. And when you do that, it just pulls you just a little bit more into faith. And then there are moments where we're into faith, right? We're like, I feel for me, the transformation has been just stopping the fearful thought and saying, is it as bad as I think it is? Or have I gotten through worse things before? And the moment I asked myself that question, my brain goes, Oh, look at all these times that you've gotten through, right, it serves up all the files. For all the times I've gotten through the worst crap. Right? And arrived, I'm in faith.

Yep, exactly. you've survived 100% of your experiences.

Right. Nothing- it's not going to take you down. This isn't the one. Right you, but you do have to go through it. Yeah. And that's what a lot of us do is we try to avoid it. That's what procrastination is. Is there a way to go around it? Is there a way to go? You know, like, No, you have to go through it. So stop avoiding it and take the step.

Yeah. But okay, I have to bring up one of the things that we did talk about on the last podcast episode, which of course, we will put in the show notes so that you can hear both of Jaime's podcast episodes. Yes, double goodness. Um, you talked about return on luck. And in the book, you talk about maximizing your return on luck. And so I just want to read a little excerpt from this.

Why not?

Okay, good. Because and it's titled, Maximize Your Return On Luck. And you ask, What if the risk is required? What if the risk is required for you to get a full return on your luck, many of us shy away from the idea of risk, we see risk as something negative something that could hurt us destroy what we have built, or put us in a place that we don't want to be. But really, what is the risk? So speak to that, because you go on to share what risk is to you, and how it is a positive thing.

Well, it'll start with how I define luck. So I believe luck is at the intersection of preparation, opportunity, and mindset. And what that means is, you have to be prepared when the opportunity presents itself. And you have to be in the right frame of mind, you have to believe, for luck to happen. Right? So many of us don't see opportunity, because we're not ready mentally, with the right skill sets, right, whatever that might be. So instead of just saying, well, you're so lucky, right? You got that or you have that opportunity. And it's like, No, I was prepared for it. When the door opened, and there's been a lot of doors in my career I wasn't ready for. Right, I wasn't there mentally and ready for that opportunity. And so that preparation to me requires taking risks. Right? There's no one knows the final. No one knows the end game, right? It's we're taking risks constantly in our lives to make that new connection to go to that networking event. Right. I talk about risk differently is great, all those decisions you make in life or there's risk inherently in them, but we don't think about that and so on. What risk are we willing to take? And some of that depends on where you're at in your life. Right? When I talk about my story of starting my business, and six months later, being in the middle of a divorce, talk about being wrought with risk, right, I was on my own financially, with a business, it was a baby at that point. But I had to take risks, I had to step out into crap, I had no idea what I was doing, right to be able to get to where I needed to get. And that was me preparing for all of the opportunity that was going to come my way, I just had faith, that it would all figure itself out, never in the timeframe that I want it to. It's not on our timeframe. And that's what I think a lot of people need to let go of is, but that preparation is a risk. What risk are you willing to take to change?

Yeah. And if you aren't willing to take the risk that you see is right in front of you right now? What are you willing to do right now not to let it stop you completely? But to re-identify, okay, I'm not willing to do this right now. But I'm going to start here. And that's at least something. That's how you build the risk tolerance. So you know, over time, you're willing to do things that a year before you never were gonna do?

Absolutely. Right. And so when I talk to a lot of people who are considering being entrepreneurs, right, I just get a lot of network connections, and people want to meet with me, you know, and the first thing I tell them is, you know, first off, you know, create a plan, you need to kind of understand what you want it to be and decide what that jumping off point is, but then don't marry your plan. Because you're an entrepreneur, it's never going to happen exactly how you lay it out at the beginning of your journey. And you have to decide where you're okay, taking risks throughout that entire journey to evolve into adjust because it's the way life is, right? And so, at the same time, only you can assess your risk tolerance at this point, financially, emotionally, right with your family, and where you're at in that. And so there are so many different factors, my journey is not going to be your journey.

Right? Right. Yeah. And I don't, yeah, I don't feel I, and the great thing about the book, too, is that you share it for people to pick up what works for them.

Right.

So you do have this, you know what your publisher was saying, this beautiful way of putting it out there challenging. And then it's like, really, it's up to you. So take what connects for you. Leave the rest, leave the rest.

Leave the rest. And I think that's in life and anything we do don't get overwhelmed with, Oh, my gosh, I don't have all these things figured out, or I don't have just take what's big for you right now. And leave the rest and come back to it later.

Yeah, absolutely. So the book is called You Are Here, Kick-Ass Inspiration for Navigating YOUR Journey to Success. And Jaime, when is the book out?

Yes, so on May 27th, preorder launches on www.jaimetaets.com, j-a-i-m-e-t-a-e-t-s, kind of weird spelling. So check that out. I'm sure it'll be in the show notes. So we preorder on May 27. It'll come out kind of end of summer, but anybody that pre-orders get a personalized, signed copy. So we're kind of trying to generate those pre-orders. And then same as this, you know, always just looking to have these conversations on podcasts. I'm speaking to teams, right, because again, I want to help us all through where we're at and just share vulnerably with where I've been right in the journey that I've been on. And I think the more of us who are willing to share our stories is really what can make an impact on other people. So.

Yes, and Jaime, while I'm thinking of it, how can people follow you too, because you are going to be promoting the book and there are lots of other great tidbits you put out a lot of great blogs and podcasts so how can people follow you?

Yeah, so on Facebook I'm Jaime Taes, that's my author page where we put out a ton of content just great just inspirational quotes just day-to-day Instagram, @Jaime_Taets, so same thing. And then the website www.jaimetaets.com, but you can also follow Keystone, right Keystone Group International, or follow me Jaime Taets on LinkedIn, which is more on the business side of things, but it really crosses over. Right? An lot of the content is around leadership and how we show up as leaders when we're dealing with some of the stuff that we're dealing with. So we've got a ton f places that people can get content.

Yeah, that's great. And I got a sneaky peek into the book, and I'm excited for people to be able to just start digesting it. It's great stuff. So Jaime, thank you for being on the podcast. And you know, it just needs to start being a regular feature. When you're, you know, when you're not busy with other things.

You and I should t like this on the road. Maybe this s the start.

I love it. Okay, till next time, let's just say that

Sounds good. Thank you so much.

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